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This template is used on many pages and changes may be widely noticed. Test changes in the template's /sandbox or /testcases subpages, or in your own user subpage. Consider discussing changes on the talk page before implementing them.

This template uses TemplateStyles:

Module:Message box/tmbox.css^[e] (sandbox) ^[e]
Template:Talk header/styles.css^[e]

Shortcuts

{{thTemplate:Th}}
{{tphTemplate:Tph}}

Redirects

This template is a signpost. The text of this template varies by namespace. It displays a talk page message box with four sections of content:

§ Intro – a short introduction and appropriate links for newcomers
§ Policies – a reminder of important policies for experienced users
§ "Find sources links" – a set of links to aid in finding reliable sources for the article topic
§ Archives – a list of links to the current talk page's archives, and a search box to search them

Portions of the standard boilerplate text may be modified with params that specify additional or replacement text.

Usage

{{Talk header}}

To add this template to a talk page, just open an edit of the talk page, and put {{Talk header}} at the top of the page.

By convention, this template goes at the very top of the talk page, above WikiProject templates and other talk-page banners. However, this is not an absolute rule, and editors should use common sense when deciding its placement. See also: Wikipedia:Talk page layout § Lead (bannerspace).

Should this be added to every talk page?

There is no mandate to have this template appear on all of Wikipedia's approx. 7.2 million potential talk pages.^[a] This template should not be indiscriminately added to pre-existing talk pages, especially not by using bots. That said, the template should not be removed from talk pages simply because it is there.

For more information on this topic, see the talk page for this template, including the talk archives^[b] and the TfD logs.^[c]

A further consideration is when this template is added solely or chiefly for its ability to display the archive list and search box. Both this template and the {{Archives}} template contain the functionality (enabled by default) to display the archive list and search box (for pages where archives are detected). Do not replace an existing {{Archives}} template with this template without other justification.

Avoid the duplication of the archive list and search box: either don't use the {{Archives}} template at all, or turn off archive display for this template. One reason for using {{Archives}} even on talk pages with a {{Talk header}} template could be when the templates at the top of the talk page become so long as to be unwieldy – in that case you might consider moving the archive-related information "off to the side" using {{Archives}}.

The two commonly used archive bots are ClueBot III and lowercase sigmabot III (see H:CHOOSEBOT). ClueBot III offers a built-in third option to display the archive list and search box, see its |archivebox=yes parameter. Again, please avoid displaying the archive list and search box multiple times.

Parameters

Full syntax – Vertical

{{Talk header
| bottom= [d]
| custom_header= [e]
| wp= [f]
| display_title= [g]
| arpol= [h]
| sc1= [i]
| sc2= 
| sc3= 
| sc4= 
| sc5= 
| demospace= [j]
| hide_find_sources= [k]
| search_term1= [l]
| search_term2= 
| search-domain= [m]
| noarchive= [n]
| search= [o]
}}

Horizontal

{{Talk header |bottom= |custom_header= |wp= |display_title= |arpol= |sc1= |sc2= |sc3= |sc4= |sc5= |demospace= |hide_find_sources= |search_term1= |search_term2= |search-domain= |noarchive= |search= }}

Hiding the template

Registered users who prefer not to see this template on any talk page may hide it from view. This would affect only your account and nothing is changed for anybody else. You will need to have a registered account to do this kind of personalization.

Edit your user style page at Special:Mypage/common.css.
Add a line: #talkheader {display:none;}
Save the change.
Bypass your cache.

Do note that archiving information (the § Archives section) is more and more commonly shown through this template as opposed to through a freestanding template such as {{Archives}}. To only hide the intro/newcomer links and talk page policies, but leave the find sources and archive sections visible, instead use the line:

#talkheader tr:has(> td > .talkheader-body) { display:none; }

Parts of the header

This section describes the different parts of the header. Each subsection below corresponds to one of the four main areas of functionality listed in the bullet items at the top, and explains which parameters are available to modify their appearance.

If the template is used in a SUBJECTSPACE talk page, then a WP:NOTFORUM line, "This is not a forum for general discussion of the subject of the article", is added immediately below the very top line.

Intro and newcomer links

Basic tips for newcomers appear in the top left and are boxed with a white background (or a black background in dark mode). This includes links for how to get help and a button to start a new topic in new section at the bottom of the page. The intro links are displayed in the top left portion of the message box:

Add new text under old text.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Start a new topic

Policies

Talk page policies

A bullet list of policies, and behavioral and talk page guidelines is included by default in the top right portion of the message box.

Article policies

In the article namespace only, a list of bulleted "Article policies" is included by default. It occupies part of the top right section of the message box, to the right of the talk page policies.

Article policies

In non-article namespaces, the "Article policies" box is absent by default, but it may be added via |arpol=yes. For example:

{{talk header|arpol=yes}}

Note: The only recognized value for |arpol= is "yes". In particular, |arpol=no has no effect on header display in any namespace. The article policies may be suppressed from view in all namespaces by adding #talkheader .talkheader-policies{display:none} to your common.css (see #Hiding the template for more on such personalization).

"Find sources" links

For article Talk pages, a set of "find sources" links appears by default in the Talk header box. The default links correspond to the output of Template:Find sources; see Talk:Europe for an example. These links appear after the initial article policies and links for newcomers, and above the archiving section. For the article Europe, it looks like this:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Background

There are several flavors of "find sources" links (medical, video, general) targeted to different search domains. The flavor of "find sources" links displayed in the Talk header depends on WikiProject membership of the article and may correspond to one of these:

{{find medical sources}} – for articles in the medical search domain
{{find video game sources}} – for articles in the video game search domain
{{find general sources}} – the default, for everything else, is the general domain.

The default search domain is "general", which is the large majority of all Talk pages, and displays the links found in template {{find general sources}}. The search domain is determined automatically by the template, depending on the presence of the corresponding WikiProject. If an article belongs to WikiProject Medicine, it is in the medical search domain by default; if it belongs to WikiProject Video games, it is in the video game search domain by default. (If it is in both, then the highest domain in the list above is chosen; i.e, 'medical'.)

Example

For the page Talk:Giardiasis, which belongs to WP:WikiProject Medicine, it looks like this:

Find medical sources: Source guidelines · PubMed · Cochrane · DOAJ · Gale · OpenMD · ScienceDirect · Springer · Trip · Wiley · TWL

You can modify the nature of the source links displayed by § Hiding the links, § modifying the query terms, or by § modifying the search domain.

Hiding the links

By default, these links do not appear outside of article Talk space (ns=1).

Within article Talk space, the "find sources" links may be suppressed by setting parameter |hide_find_sources=yes.

Modifying the "find sources" query terms

The find sources links use the article title by default as the search term and forms an "exact search" (or "double-quoted query")^[p] from the title. If the article title contains parenthetical disambiguation portion, this is appended after the exact search query term, as an additional, unquoted phrase.

In place of the default, the query terms may be specified by using |search_term= (alias: |search_term1=) to specify the exact search string. Parameter |search_term2= may be added to specify additional, unquoted query terms, as many as desired.

Search domain override

The default domain chosen by automatic WikiProject detection may be overridden using param |search-domain=:

|search-domain=medical – use medical as the search domain, regardless what projects it belongs to (value alias: med)
|search-domain=video game – use video games as the search domain, regardless what projects it belongs to (value alias: video, and vg))
|search-domain=general – use general as the search domain, regardless what projects it belongs to (value alias: gen)

The parameter alias |domain= may be used instead; thus, |domain=med means the same thing as |search-domain=medical.

Additional and replacement text

Besides the four main sections of the talk header box, the template provides three parameters which may be used to include additional sections or modified text:

|bottom=
|custom header=
|wp=.

bottom

|bottom=yes – adds a message above the main talk header box, separately bordered, about where to place new discussions:

Please place new discussions at the bottom of the talk page.

custom_header

|custom_header=your text here – adds any desired text above the main talk header. Text is in boldface by default, and has a horizontal rule below, separating it from the rest of the content.

Example

Showing |custom_header= with the first line of Lorem ipsum text:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit,
sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.

Add new text under old text.

Assume good faith

If used together with |bottom=: the "New discussions placement" text appears above everything in a separately bordered box; the main talk header box is below that, and the custom text appears in the main box, above the newbie and article policy links and separated from them by a horizontal rule.

wp

|wp=yes – Extends the bolded lead sentence of the header, to add the words "Pagename and anything related to its purposes and tasks" as follows:

This is the talk page for discussing Pagename and anything related to its purposes and tasks.

This parameter should not be used outside of the Wikipedia talk namespace.

Testing issues

Find sources testing

For testing and demonstration purposes, this template accepts parameter |demospace= which enables testing of the find sources opt-out parameter |hide_find_sources= from other namespaces.

If |demospace= has the value main or the value 1 it returns the findsources text it would normally return when transcluded from mainspace.
If |demospace= has any other value such as the name of some other namespace it returns the text it would if transcluded outside of mainspace.
If the parameter is empty or undefined, the actual page type determines the result.

The dynamic features of WikiProject autodetection and § Search domain override depend on the article title where it appears, and therefore cannot be tested in the normal way. The test cases page provides an explanation of how to test these features using Special:ExpandTemplates with the ContextTitle enabled, or by using in situ testing.

Expensive parser functions

This template uses up to 24 expensive parser functions (during 2026, with it increasing by one a year) depending on what parameters are used. In theory, on pages with very large numbers of other templates using expensive parser functions this could result in template limits being reached, but this is very unlikely. It could also affect expansion of templates on a test page that has more than 20 uncollapsed invocations of this template, especially ones appearing lower on the page.

TemplateData

This is the TemplateData for this template used by TemplateWizard, VisualEditor and other tools. See a monthly parameter usage report for Template:Talk header in articles based on its TemplateData.

TemplateData for Talk header

A signpost for the top of talk pages

Template parameters[Edit template data]
Parameter		Description	Type	Status
Shortcut	`1` `shortcut` `shortcut1` `sc` `sc1`	Shortcut that displays similar to the {{shortcut}} template, but within the Talk header message box Example WP:SHOR	Page name	suggested
Shortcut 2	`2` `shortcut2` `sc2`	A second shortcut	Page name	optional
bottom	`bottom`	Set to "yes" to add additional instructions at the top to "please place new discussions at the bottom of the talk page" Suggested values `yes`	Boolean	optional
Custom header	`custom_header`	Replaces the entire header with customized text	Line	optional
WikiProject?	`wp`	For use on WikiProject talk pages; set to "yes" to add "and anything related to its purposes and tasks" to the header	Boolean	optional
Display title	`display_title`	Displays a custom page title	String	optional
Article policies	`arpol`	Adds a link to the article policy pages Default On for article talk pages, off otherwise	Boolean	optional
demospace	`demospace`	Namespace number or name for testing purposes	String	optional
Hide find sources?	`hide_find_sources`	Set to "yes" to hide the find sources banner on article talk pages	Boolean	optional
Search term	`search_term` `search_term1`	Changes the search term used in the {{find sources}} module	String	optional
Search term 2	`search_term2`	Adds a second search term for unquoted search, as used in the {{find sources}} module	String	optional
Search domain	`search-domain` `domain`	Changes the default search domain used in the {{find sources}} module Suggested values `medical` `video` `general`	String	optional
No archives?	`noarchive` `noarchives`	Set to "yes" to hide the archives links Suggested values `yes`	Boolean	optional
Search	`search`	Set to "no" to override the default behavior for the search box appearance	Boolean	optional

Tracking categories

Category:Pages using Talk header with unknown parameters (2,994)

Notes

↑ It is currently used on about ~825,000 of them or roughly 11%.
↑ Template talk:Talk header/Archive 10#Consider updating the "only where it's needed" instruction
↑ See the top of the talk page for the banner with links to previous TfDs.
↑ Use |bottom=yes to add additional instructions above the talk header box to "place new discussions at the bottom of the talk page"; see details here.
↑ To add customized text in the talk header box, use |custom_header=Your custom text; see details here.
↑ Designed for use on project (Wikipedia namespace) talk pages, parameter |wp=yes may be used to alter the intro line of the banner ("This is the talk page for...") in order to add "and anything related to its purposes and tasks". Details here.
↑ To display a custom page title, use |display_title=custom page title.
↑ To force inclusion of the "Article policies" section of the template in non-article namespaces where they are normally excluded, use |arpol=yes. (See § Article policies below for an example.)
↑ Up to five shortcuts may be added to the template, as unnamed parameters, or as named ones (any of |1=, |sc=, |sc1=, |shortcut= or |shortcut1=, then |2=, |sc2= or |shortcut2=, etc., work). For example, {{Talk header|WP:SHOR|WP:TCUT}}. They display similar to the {{shortcut}} template, but within the Talk header message box.
↑ For additional information on |demospace= see § Testing issues.
↑ To hide "Find sources" on article talk pages, use |hide_find_sources=yes. More details at § "Find sources" links and § Testing issues below.
↑ To override the article title as the default search used by § "Find sources" links, use params |search_term1= and |search_term2=. Details at § Modifying the "find sources" query terms below.
↑ To override the search domain chosen automatically by the template, use |search-domain=domain value. See details at § Search domain override.
↑ Archive links and an archive search box are displayed automatically at the bottom of the template. Use parameter |noarchive=yes to suppress display of the archive links. See section § Archives below for details.
↑ Archive links and an archive search box are displayed automatically at the bottom of the template. Use parameter |search=no to suppress the display of the archive search box. See section § Search box below for details.
↑ Exact search is also known as a "double-quoted query" because major search engines interpret paired double-quote characters as indicating that everything between the double quotes must be found exactly as specified.
↑ See {{Human readable duration}} for details on this conversion. Do note: "months" is NOT a valid unit when configuring archive bots.
↑ |archive_bot=, |archive_age=, |archive_units=, and |minthreadsleft=

The above documentation is transcluded from Template:Talk header/sandbox2/doc.
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Add categories to the /doc subpage. Subpages of this template.

[1] It is currently used on about ~825,000 of them or roughly 11%.

[2] Template talk:Talk header/Archive 10#Consider updating the "only where it's needed" instruction

[3] See the top of the talk page for the banner with links to previous TfDs.

[bottom-yes-4] Use |bottom=yes to add additional instructions above the talk header box to "place new discussions at the bottom of the talk page"; see details here.

[custom_header-5] To add customized text in the talk header box, use |custom_header=Your custom text; see details here.

[wp-yes-6] Designed for use on project (Wikipedia namespace) talk pages, parameter |wp=yes may be used to alter the intro line of the banner ("This is the talk page for...") in order to add "and anything related to its purposes and tasks". Details here.

[display_title-7] To display a custom page title, use |display_title=custom page title.

[arpol-yes-8] To force inclusion of the "Article policies" section of the template in non-article namespaces where they are normally excluded, use |arpol=yes. (See § Article policies below for an example.)

[shortcuts-9] Up to five shortcuts may be added to the template, as unnamed parameters, or as named ones (any of |1=, |sc=, |sc1=, |shortcut= or |shortcut1=, then |2=, |sc2= or |shortcut2=, etc., work). For example, {{Talk header|WP:SHOR|WP:TCUT}}. They display similar to the {{shortcut}} template, but within the Talk header message box.

[demospace-10] For additional information on |demospace= see § Testing issues.

[hide_find_sources-yes-11] To hide "Find sources" on article talk pages, use |hide_find_sources=yes. More details at § "Find sources" links and § Testing issues below.

[search_term-12] To override the article title as the default search used by § "Find sources" links, use params |search_term1= and |search_term2=. Details at § Modifying the "find sources" query terms below.

[search-domain-13] To override the search domain chosen automatically by the template, use |search-domain=domain value. See details at § Search domain override.

[noarchive-yes-14] Archive links and an archive search box are displayed automatically at the bottom of the template. Use parameter |noarchive=yes to suppress display of the archive links. See section § Archives below for details.

[search-no-15] Archive links and an archive search box are displayed automatically at the bottom of the template. Use parameter |search=no to suppress the display of the archive search box. See section § Search box below for details.

[exact_search-16] Exact search is also known as a "double-quoted query" because major search engines interpret paired double-quote characters as indicating that everything between the double quotes must be found exactly as specified.

[17] See {{Human readable duration}} for details on this conversion. Do note: "months" is NOT a valid unit when configuring archive bots.

[archive_bot-18] |archive_bot=, |archive_age=, |archive_units=, and |minthreadsleft=

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