Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HJ Martin and Son
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. If there is no immediate intent to work on a draft, it will likely be deleted in six months, and draftifying is a waste of time. If new coverage is located I will provide a copy. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:45, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
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Fails GNG and NORG.
No reliable sources in article. A WP:BEFORE search turned up a few press release-type articles about the company purchasing a Shopko location and a Menards location. Other sources just job move announcements, etc. I recently edited the article to remove duplicate cites; I left in the defunct Floor Trends articles which are now dead (archive lacks full text)
Note that this article was created by an apparent COI editor "for a friend" (see ) and was recently edited by what appears to be another COI editor USER:HJMARTINANDSON who is now blocked for username policy violation. Oblivy (talk) 08:28, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Note: this discussion has been included in the AfD sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Wisconsin. Oblivy (talk) 08:28, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- As mentioned before, the company is a legitimate and functioning company headquartered in Green Bay, WI. Any of my edits made yesterday under the previous username were not intended for self-promotion or to mislead. In fact, I also updated two links (the Packers ones) so that they were correct and factual. Again, ignorance is not an excuse and moving forward I will make sure to review the guidelines more closely. Wally at H.J. Martin and Son (talk) 10:44, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- You should read WP:SIRS and WP:NCORP -- a company needs to have receive substantial coverage in reliable independent outlets, books, or journals. The only articles that come close to describing the company are the insightonbusiness and Walls and Ceilings articles, both of which are puff pieces that regurgitate information from the company without independent editorial analysis (and quite narrow distribution too). Almost everything else is either primary sourced from the company or from the Packers. Oblivy (talk) 14:10, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- OK, would these qualify as valid/permissible sources:
- https://www.floordaily.net/flooring-news/hj-martin-son-announces-three-new-partnerships-expansions/
- https://fox11online.com/news/local/hj-martin-and-son-purchases-former-shopko-property Wally at H.J. Martin and Son (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Generally press releases and media based on press releases are not useful to establish notability. See WP:DEPENDENTCOVERAGE: Examples of dependent coverage that is not sufficient to establish notability:
* press releases, press kits, or similar public relations materials
* any material that is substantially based on such press releases even if published by independent sources (churnalism)Also WP:CORPTRIV:
brief announcements...of the opening or closing of local branches, franchises, or shops, Oblivy (talk) 00:34, 4 September 2026 (UTC) - No, the reporting of routine business activities doesn't contribute to notabililty. Not every successful business merits a Wikipedia article; most businesses on Earth do not. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Generally press releases and media based on press releases are not useful to establish notability. See WP:DEPENDENTCOVERAGE: Examples of dependent coverage that is not sufficient to establish notability:
- You should read WP:SIRS and WP:NCORP -- a company needs to have receive substantial coverage in reliable independent outlets, books, or journals. The only articles that come close to describing the company are the insightonbusiness and Walls and Ceilings articles, both of which are puff pieces that regurgitate information from the company without independent editorial analysis (and quite narrow distribution too). Almost everything else is either primary sourced from the company or from the Packers. Oblivy (talk) 14:10, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Delete: Sourcing is either non-independent or WP:TRADES coverage. I don't see a pass of WP:NCORP. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:24, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs a little more input
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:09, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Delete: Sourcing just does not seem to be available to pass WP:NCORP. M kuhner (talk) 17:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Comment - Disclosure: paid/COI editor (see my user page). I don't have additional independent sourcing to offer at this time, but I'd ask the closer to consider draftify or userfy rather than outright deletion, so the content and the existing citations remain available if suitable coverage (e.g., archived Green Bay Press-Gazette features) can be located later. Wally at H.J. Martin and Son (talk) 10:33, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.