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Clinally is a word

'Clinally' - definition, the gradual change in certain characteristics exhibited by members of a series of adjacent populations of organisms of the same species. Urselius (talk) 08:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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Pound[-]for[-]pound

Greetings. I noticed you hyphenated the term pound for pound at Floyd Mayweather Jr., and rightfully so. Therefore could you offer an opinion here for a potential article(s) move? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:22, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Noun following "like"

"Like" needs to be followed by a noun:

Almost true, but not quite. "Like" needs to be followed by a noun *phrase*. A noun phrase is sometimes just a noun, but may also be a long convoluted string of words that end up amounting to the idea of a noun. The "like" always refers to the entire contents of its following noun phrase, not just one particular noun within that phrase. See the "Noun phrase" article for details. TooManyFingers (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

True. I had both single nouns and nounal phrases in mind when I said that, per formal style, the word "like" must be followed by a noun. (The sentence I altered in the article I edited to that end had "like" modifying a prepositional phrase.) 04:03, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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"Due to" misused as an adverb

You may not like "due to a compromise of user passwords at iCloud", but "due to" is not an adverb there--it has a noun phrase as an object. It is, rather, an adverbial preposition, and it's perfectly fine: it is not "misuse". Please see this, the section "Usage". Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

You're right; it modifies not a verb, but a noun. I so often see the phrase misused here that I was careless. It's good to know that Wiki editors are on the ball. Mucketymuck (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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My edit was for style's sake. Beats me how it seems to have taken up Dan Fogelberg, whom I know of only as the folksinger of "Leader of the Band."

At first glance, your alert made me think I'd inadvertently cut out some of the "Rain" article's text, but now I see that the Fogelberg note was an addition, not a deletion. Maybe somebody else was editing the same page at the same time and their more material edit in some way became conflated with mine. Or somehow I reverted a previous edit, although I don't care to page through all the previous versions to try to find a matching one. (Or some party has hijacked my Wikipedia account.)

I will add that Wikipedia's software can be a touch dodgy. Even as I write this reply in a text box, I notice the preview displayed below failing to register a word I've inserted, making partial nonsense of my prose, and have had to go back and mend it. Mucketymuck (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

My sincere apologies. I can't blame anyone but myself. I reverted an edit and mistakenly ended up on your talk page (I can't explain how) and left the warning. Thanks for your edit, which was much needed. Sundayclose (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for polishing the grammar of Wikipedia! I appreciate your edits on Hyperion (tree). — hike395 (talk) 04:59, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

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Many apologies for this

I've reverted the editor who added "Norse Islanders " all over the place. Sadly this lost your edit, but I couldn't see a better way to do it. Doug Weller talk 10:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

To which article do you refer? I've recently edited several about medieval Norse folkways. Mucketymuck (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

. Special:Contributions/HilmirKar seems to have an agenda. Very new editor. Some changes contradict sources. Doug Weller talk 19:23, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

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Hi Mucketymuck! I noticed that you recently made an edit and marked it as "minor", but it may not have been. On Wikipedia, "minor edit" refers only to superficial edits that could never be disputed, such as fixing typos or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum ♠ 16:22, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

What edit was that? I don't see a link. Mucketymuck (talk) 17:31, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

The one that caught my attention was Special:Diff/1362630068, which is not a particularly egregious case, but it is something you have done recently with edits like Special:Diff/1362162535 where you are adding content previously not in the article or in other recent edits where you are changing the prose. I appreciate your extensive copy-editing, but minor edits should apply only to small typos not rewording passages. I understand that might be a bit pedantic of me, but considering 86% of your edits are marked "minor", I thought I'd leave a small notice on your talk page not to overmark edits as minor in situations where they are not. Remember, Any change affecting an article's meaning is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum ♠ 20:10, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

By far most of my edits are genuinely minor, in that they alter articles on the basis of prose style, formal grammar, or clarity, not meaning. "[M]inor edits should apply only to small typos not rewording passages," you say. Well, occasionally I've rewritten, rearranged, and cut out prose from a section or more of an article without altering the meaning. For practical purposes such an edit is minor, though I kind of doubt I've marked such edits "minor.” But often I add minor edits atop non-minor ones, when I realize after editing a passage that I've made some small mistake. That practice of mine may confuse unwary editors.

In the instance you mention of Special:Diff/1362630068, I went astray. I didn't particularly intend to call that one minor—but then, as I noted in explaining that edit, the term I added ("wrench attack" to the article on "Cryptocurrency and crime") was used in one of the cited articles. WP's own description of a minor edit says, "Examples include typographical corrections, corrections of minor formatting errors, and reversion of obvious vandalism. A minor edit requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute…. If there is any chance that another editor might dispute a change, the edit should not be marked as minor." No one would dispute a term used in a source already cited, and so I took that fact to heart, forgetting that "Adding or removing content in an article" is not to be marked as minor.

But does WP truly deem any edit minor if it "could never be the subject of a dispute"? If so, it ought to reconsider the matter of "Adding or removing content in an article," for such content taken directly from other WP articles won't be subject to dispute. Take the other instance you mention, Special:Diff/1362162535. There, I took the phrase I added to the article on Jean Harlow, "With the aid of the screenwriter Carey Wilson," right from WP's own article on the topic at hand, Harlow's novel Today Is Tonight, which said, "At the time of publication, press coverage stated that screenwriter Carey Wilson assisted Harlow with the book."

WP would be prudent to alter the description of what not to mark as minor edits from "Adding or removing content in an article" to two demands: (1) "Removing content from an article" and (2) "Adding any content other than uncontroversial, minor points found elsewhere on Wikipedia." To be sure, if enacted, demand #2 would oblige WP editors to exercise their judgment as to what content is minor and uncontroversial, but WP’s model already depends on its editors' judgment.

Besides, if WP assumes that minor points sourced directly from its own content may be disputed, then Wikipedia doesn't trust itself. Mucketymuck (talk) 05:38, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi, that would be WP:CIRCULAR and unacceptable. Wikipedia in fact does not trust itself. Adding a 'minor point' from one article to another still requires editors to confirm that the content is verifiable, and marking such content forks as minor edits may impede on that review process. ~ oklopfer (💬) 12:23, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

I stand corrected and chastened. Blimey, this self-correcting collaboration is trickier than I thought. Mucketymuck (talk) 03:17, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

I hope my wording did not come across as overly harsh. Indeed, how ms work alongside and impact collaboration is a complicated matter. I try to be quite conservative with them, even when making what feels to be very small copyedits; I mostly use them when correcting templates or my own sloppy hand. Most edits will change the meaning for someone, even if it is fixing a typo. ~ oklopfer (💬) 13:52, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

I want to piggy-back on oklopfer's comment to say that I similarly hope my templating didn't come across as harsh or passive-aggressive. It is in fact me seeing how valuable your extensive copy-editing is that led me to give you a small notice about the minor/major edit issue since I hope you will continue your ce'ing prowess. — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum ♠ 16:16, 9 July 2026 (UTC)

No offense taken, fellows. (I was actually referencing the Monty Python character Dennis Moore: "Blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.") Mucketymuck (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

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