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St. Matthias Anglo Indian Higher Secondary School

St. Matthias Anglo Indian Higher Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 23:59, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

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St. Mary's Matriculation Higher Secondary School, Cuddalore

St. Mary's Matriculation Higher Secondary School, Cuddalore (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 00:00, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

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Michael High School, Kurla

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 03:05, 19 September 2026 (UTC)

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Keep — I think the available sources are sufficient to establish notability under WP:GNG, and the article can be improved rather than deleted.

There is independent coverage of Michael High School, Kurla in several publications over a number of years. This includes The Indian Express, which has published multiple reports specifically involving the school, including a 2017 report on a consumer commission case involving the school and its response, as well as a 2018 report concerning an incident at the school. There is also an Indian Express report on the Police Didi programme at Michael High School, which includes comments from the principal.

Sources:

• https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/ssc-board-has-to-be-more-userfriendly/?ref=search&term=michael-high-school-kurla
• https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/asked-to-pay-up-rs-2-25-lakh-to-injured-student-kurla-school-says-wont-challenge-order-4837605/
• https://indianexpress.com/article/india/upset-with-cheating-accusation-13-year-old-mumbai-girl-commits-suicide-5113628/
• https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/initiative-to-curb-sexual-assault-in-maharashtra-being-a-police-didi-to-help-children-feel-comfortable-to-talk-3059070/
• https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-after-ryan-schools-feel-pressure-step-up-security-4866340/
• https://indianexpress.com/article/education/mumbai-ssc-results-out-pass-percentage-dips-further/

There is also independent coverage from The Times of India concerning Jean Moses Gomes, then principal of Michael High School, including discussion of her recognition as an educationist and the development of the institution:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/genelia-awarded-for-promoting-east-indian-culture-through-wedding-rituals/articleshow/20115948.cms

Daijiworld published a substantial article about Gomes receiving the National Award for Teachers. The article identifies her as principal of C.E.S. Michael High School and provides background about the institution, including its history and development:

https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay?newsID=149273

There is also a publication from the National Centre for School Leadership under NIEPA which contains a case study specifically on C.E.S.'s Michael High School, Kurla (W), Mumbai. The case study, titled Our Mission to Curb Environment Degradation, (refer page no 97-98 of the publication / 113-114 of the pdf) discusses environmental initiatives undertaken by the school. This is useful additional independent institutional documentation rather than a school directory or the school's own website:

https://ncsl.niepa.ac.in/schoolleadershipacademy/pdf/maharashtra/Case%20Studies/2022-2023/MH22CSBooklet.pdf

There are further references in Mumbai Mirror and other publications, but I don't think it is necessary to rely on every available listing or directory. The school's own website, social-media accounts and sites such as Justdial, Yellow Slate, UniApply and Careers360 can be useful for verifying basic details, but I would not count them towards establishing GNG because they are either primary sources or directory-style sources.

The important point here is that there is independent coverage from multiple publications, spanning different years and covering more than just the school's existence. The NIEPA/NCSL publication also contains a dedicated case study about an initiative at the school.

I don't think the absence of sufficient citations in the current article should be treated as evidence that the subject itself is not notable. The available sources can be added to the article and the article can be rewritten to remove any material that isn't supported by independent sources.

For these reasons, I think the appropriate outcome is to keep and improve the article rather than delete it.

--✝iѵɛɳ२२४०^{†ลℓк †๏ мэ} 06:18, 19 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Keep as per the sources mentioned by User:Tiven2240. although some sources are not so significant, use caution while using them. Dz5t 8O12 (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
• Keep per the 2nd Indian Express source and the pdf attached by Tiven2240. The remaining ones can be used to expand the article, but I won't count them as SIGCOV....they are either trivial mentions or interviews. BhikhariInformer‬ 📮 ^{(Ping me or else I won't see it)} 02:12, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
• Keep as per the multiple reliable newspaper sources coverage identified in this discussion which together shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:14, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

BMM English Medium School

BMM English Medium School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Delete — Additional searches yielded nothing with SIGCOV to warrant standalone notability. BhikhariInformer‬ 📮 ^{(Ping me or else I won't see it)} 11:06, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

YMCA Brown Matriculation Higher Secondary School

YMCA Brown Matriculation Higher Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

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Anthony and Theodosius

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As the article itself points out, we have Saint Anthony of Kiev and Theodosius of Kiev. Why do we need this one too? Anything not already in those two articles can be merged there. Helpful Cat🐈‍⬛ 15:09, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Keep. They're consistently mentioned together, celebrated on the same feast day, cited together, and depicted together on icons. If we didn't have an article on the saints, we'd likely have one on the feast. Jahaza (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
• Keep as notable as a pair as shown in the references already in the article and the fact they have a combined saints day, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:08, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
• Merge the joint commemoration into Anthony of Kiev and Theodosius of Kiev, then redirect to Kyiv Pechersk Lavra. Signahistar (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

St. Mary's Academy, Meerut

St. Mary's Academy, Meerut (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails NSCHOOL. Sources 3 to 6 merely confirm non notable alumni. Lacking third party coverage about the school. LibStar (talk) 12:03, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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Delete and merge to another article. Really doesn't meet WP:NSCHOOL or WP:RS. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 12:42, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

Merge to which article? LibStar (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Meerut#Education — It's mentioned there. Additional searches yielded nothing with SIGCOV to warrant standalone notability. Opposing the merger suggested above....it's totally redundant and a bad ATD for this subject. BhikhariInformer‬ 📮 ^{(Ping me or else I won't see it)} 20:04, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

De Britto Higher Secondary School

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De Britto Higher Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 02:11, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Comment: this survived the first nomination in 2018, seemingly based on sources (identified by an IP) that still have not been added to the article eight years later. (No opinion on those sources or anything else.). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:14, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
• Delete – The aforementioned sources may have been enough back then, but they are woefully inadequate now that schools need to meet either WP:GNG or WP:NORG. One was a link to a PressReader page that I can't access (not via Internet Archive either, it was archived once in 2024 but that page is just blank. The other was an article focusing mostly on something else, and at the very end it says ..John’s De Britto Higher Secondary School, Tiruvarur district, won the secondary division with a project on a non-polluting pump. Not exactly what I would call significant coverage. –Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 04:33, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
• Delete as there is no SIGCOV for this school. Dz5t 8O12 (talk) 11:46, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
• Delete — Found nothing with SIGCOV in additional searches to warrant standalone notability. BhikhariInformer‬ 📮 ^{(Ping me or else I won't see it)} 19:46, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

Rose Mary School

Rose Mary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 02:11, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Delete — Found one organic coverage in TOI but that ain't enough to sustain a standalone article. BhikhariInformer‬ 📮 ^{(Ping me or else I won't see it)} 19:45, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
• Delete Unreferenced for 20 years. Fails NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 09:52, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Sacred Heart Matric Higher Secondary School, Sholinganallur

Sacred Heart Matric Higher Secondary School, Sholinganallur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL Filmssssssssssss (talk) 02:11, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Delete as the available sources don't have notable enough coverage to pass WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Dz5t 8O12 (talk) 11:36, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
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The result was Nomination withdrawn. LibStar (talk) 05:22, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

Donna Steichen

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Fails WP:AUTHOR and WP:JOURNALIST. No sigcov or major awards. LibStar (talk) 05:40, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Weak keep - there is some significant coverage, such as this. I'm not certain if it's enough to keep. Bearian (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
• Keep - Meets WP:Basic. Article needs work and cleanup, but this is taking a sledgehammer to a walnut here. Minnastronomer (talk) 01:41, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

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Keep meets WP:NAUTHOR per reviews. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 22:43, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

• Keep I found reviews of her books () and (). The fourth is not a review, but coverage of her book in a paper, still good enough for notability. Kelob2678 (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
• Keep - from reviews found above and other coverage, I'd say she passes WP:AUTHOR. I may take a crack at starting the work of fixing the article itself. smallest red boy (talk • contribs) 04:55, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

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Unity Christian High School (Barrie)

Unity Christian High School (Barrie) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. Article has one (broken) primary source, and can't find any other sources that aren't random bits of routine coverage. Sycerion (talk) 11:18, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Comment as nominator - note that this subject was already deleted in 2007, under a slightly different article title. Sycerion (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2026 (UTC)

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Giorgio Lenzi

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Italian priest (BLP). Sources are a routine bio and a passing mention: there isn't anything that would amount to sustained coverage of the kind needed to satisfy WP:BASIC. He also does not seem to rise to the level indicated by WP:RELPEOPLE. Dionysodorus (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Comment: As of this moment, he fails generally because two citations are not enough for a BLP. However, in theory he could pass as a Superior General. I'm hesitant to delete anything in the next few months that might be seen as an excuse by certain powerful figures to justify cancellation of our charitable status. Ping me if you add more. Bearian (talk) 15:37, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

  @Bearian: He's not the Superior General of his Institute, though: he's the "Procurator General". Based on the website of the Institute, the Superior General is Luis Gabriel Barrero, who might perhaps be notable for that reason; but Lenzi is just named briefly lower down that page, alongside several other members of the council of the Institute who also probably aren't notable. Dionysodorus (talk) 15:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

• Delete - too soon as per Dionysodorus, with a re-visit later if and when he gets promoted further. The title of Procurator (Catholic canon law) sounds prestigious, and is confusing, because it's used in civil law as a prosecutor or other jurist, but this title is more like a treasurer, bursar, or purser. Thank you for clarifying for the record. Bearian (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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Religious minorities in Pakistan

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I propose merging to Religion in Pakistan because the contents of the page is covered across multiple Wikipedia pages- Religion in Pakistan, Freedom of religion in Pakistan, Religious discrimination in Pakistan as well as in religion specific articles like Hinduism in Pakistan, Christianity in Pakistan etc. WP: OVERLAP Weichan123 (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Merge: This is a tough one, as Religion in Pakistan is obviously the overarching topic and the subject of Religious minorities in Pakistan should obviously be covered in the broader article. However, there is a lot of RS material across the news and academic spaces covering Pakistan for its socio-political practices related to religious minorities. I'm !voting merge right now on the basis that pages like Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan and Blasphemy law in Pakistan sufficiently cover the creed-nonspecific subtopics while articles like Catholic Church in Pakistan sufficiently cover the specific minority religions. I am not broadly opposed to resurrecting this article should a clear need be established. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:38, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Weak Merge While I'm not sure whether this is widely held as a belief but as a reader sometimes too many articles actually lowers my chance of going to read on that subject. Some consolidation of similar or overlapping information is beneficial from a navigation aspect for the reader.AadamentAardvark (talk) 19:48, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

• Merge to Religion in Pakistan. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 15:24, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
• Merge to Freedom of religion in Pakistan as that page basically covers the same topic and has sections such as "Constitutional & Other Legal Discriminations against Religious Minorities", "State Sponsored Violence Against Religious Minorities", "Use of State Institutions to Propagate Against Religious Minorities". Oppose merge to Religion in Pakistan as undue, there is a lot of content about religious discrimination in Pakistan, so a standalone page is needed (which we have). Kelob2678 (talk) 08:18, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Comment: Glad this was relisted to permit discussion of the alternate proposal. I oppose merging to Freedom of religion in Pakistan as that is a related topic that extends beyond religious minorities and does not encompass the entirety of the topic of religious minorities. I still prefer Religion in Pakistan as the merging target. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

  Merging implies moving content that is available right now. The article as it stands is demography+discrimination, and both would fit reasonably well at a page about freedom of religion. Maybe there is some coverage that would be out of scope for a freedom of religion article, but it is absent from the current article. Kelob2678 (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

  The content in the article to be merged should go to Religion in Pakistan. That does not preclude also adding material to Freedom of religion in Pakistan. The future redirect target of Religious minorities in Pakistan is preferably Religion in Pakistan. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:25, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

  Agree with Pbritti just above, but my preference is to keep the article as is and add content to Religion in Pakistan as well as Freedom of religion in Pakistan.

  The concept "Religious minorities in Pakistan" is itself a topic that receives media and scholarly attention. This coverage is about issues specific to minorities and specific histories that don't necessarily require as focused of coverage on a "Religion in X" page. Drew Stanley (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

  What content do you think is present on this page and not covered elsewhere? There is no dispute that the subject here has received enough coverage, the concern is a duplication of other pages. Kelob2678 (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

  Blasphemy in Pakistan doesn't specifically cover religious minorities, for instance, and that information doesn't need to be fully merged into the blasphemy page, nor does this much detail about blasphemy belong here: Religion_in_Pakistan#Freedom_of_religion_in_Pakistan.

  The page overlaps in content with a few other pages, but it doesn't duplicate any existing article completely. Merging it would reduce the coverage of the article. Also I anticipate that the material will get trimmed down signficantly when merged. Drew Stanley (talk) 15:24, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

  This page and Freedom of religion in Pakistan both cover blasphemy, violence, and forced conversion. This page contains more detailed demographics, and one (the second) paragraph on history. Regarding Religion in Pakistan#Freedom of religion in Pakistan, I agree that any merge there will require significant trimming.

  My point is that we should focus on what is actually inside the pages and should mostly ignore how the pages are titled. And the actual content of this page strongly overlaps with Freedom of religion in Pakistan. Kelob2678 (talk) 15:45, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

  Freedom of religion is simply a different topic from Religious minorities, this doesn't make sense to me Drew Stanley (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

• Comment: Since Freedom of religion in Pakistan already has these topics covered, theres nothing much to move from this page to there, so technically its same as DELETE.

Weichan123 (talk) 09:56, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

In that case, a Merge is equivalent to Redirect, not Delete. But I agree that there is very little to be merged, if anything. Kelob2678 (talk) 09:59, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

Appalachian Children's Home

Appalachian Children's Home (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails to mention individual WP:NOTABILITY. Only mention in social media and official website of the school. Sarangem (talk) 07:41, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Keep There is some coverage in newspapers.com, especially if searched under the old name. Kelob2678 (talk) 18:05, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

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Comment: try this for Barbourville Pentecostal Children's Home: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL — Iadmc♫^talk  14:32, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

• Delete After looking at the various newspapers and Google articles (using both names), nothing seems to establish WP:N — Iadmc♫^talk  14:36, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Hul (biblical figure)

Hul (biblical figure) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG. Minor biblical figure, without WP:SIGCOV. BilledMammal (talk) 04:56, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

• Note: this discussion has been included in the list of People-related AfD discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 04:56, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
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• Keep. Obviously encyclopedic information not limited to the Bible like most of Genesis chapter ten, he has figured into various identifications for 2000 years worth of historiography. Oatavo Gonuar (talk) 00:09, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

Comment. If not notable (I didn't check that thoroughly, though I did see a few sources), it should be redirected to Aram, son of Shem, where he is mentioned. Katzrockso (talk) 14:03, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Keep based past outcomes such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blastus. Noting that this precedent is 16 years old, and possibly outdated, I suggest that we redirect as per Katzrockso, as a reasonable alternative to deletion. Bearian (talk) 15:40, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

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I expanded the article from when it was nominated, it is certainly encyclopedic, the campaign to delete / memory hole this informative Genesis chapter Ten topic is disturbing to me. Oatavo Gonuar (talk) 09:40, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

We're not trying to memory hole anything. FWIW, I'm a practicing Episcopalian. I think with the added sources we possibly have a WP:The Heymann Standard situation. Bearian (talk) 18:15, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Weak keep - Interesting historiography with quite a few mentions (though the WP:SIGCOV is still shaky, in my opinion. The work does make for a possible WP:HEY situation. Another alternative could be to merge to Aram, son of Shem, perhaps under a heading about progeny or such. smallest red boy (talk • contribs) 04:47, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Die Chronik Des Hippolytos		Translation of an ancient text	Only says "And Uz and Hul, from whom are begotten the Lydians."	✘ No
Genesis 10:23 and 1 Chronicles 1:17		The bible	Just mentioned in a list	✘ No
Antiquities 1:6:4		Translation of an ancient text	Only says "Ul founded Armenia"	✘ No
https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/eng/hbd/h/hul.html			Two sentences in a dictionary entry	✘ No
https://viewer.lib.harvard.edu/viewer/URN-3:FHCL:13614580?n=70&canvasId=https%3A%2F%2Fnrs.lib.harvard.edu%2FURN-3%3AFHCL%3A13614580%3AMANIFEST%3A3%2Fcanvas%2Fcanvas-drs%3A50118059		Book advancing pseudoscientific views on the origin of Chinese people	Just mentioned in a list	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• Comment We have five sources in the article. Four of them are unreliable; three are ancient texts, and the fourth is pseudoscience nonsense. The fifth source is reliable, and also contains the most coverage of Hul, but even it has just two sentences. There are no sources that contribute to WP:GNG, and there is no relevant WP:SNG that would let us keep this article. BilledMammal (talk) 05:08, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

Sabbath School

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I propose merging to Sunday school because that page already lists "Sabbath school" as an alternative name, with an Easter Egg link on the word "sabbatarian" pointing to this one. However, I'm not an expert in the topic, so if there are sufficient doctrinal differences for separate articles, they should instead be cross-linked more clearly. There's also inconsistency in capitalisation between the two, and I'm not sure if that's deliberate. IMSoP (talk) 12:10, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

• support as they are substantially the same. Mangoe (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
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• Oppose. "Sunday school" is the normative term used by the majority of Christian Churches that regard Sunday to be the Lord's Day (including first-day Sabbatarian churches). A number of Christian denominations, such as the Seventh-day Adventist Church worship on Saturdays, which they hold to be the Sabbath. These denominations view what they call "Sunday worship" as part of the Great Apostasy and as such "Sunday School" would never be used by them. If a merge would occur, "Sunday school" would be a subset of "Sabbath school", not the other way around. Anupam^Talk 16:58, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

  @Anupam So would you support a reverse merge instead? FaviFake (talk) 17:04, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

I am not saying that I would necessarily support a reverse merge, because Sunday School still remains the common name. However, if a merger was done, I wouldn't necessarily object to it. Kind regards, Anupam^Talk 21:23, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

Rather than talking about "reverse merges", I'd rather look at this as two separate questions:

1. Are there two different topics which deserve their own articles, or are there just a range of variations best discussed in one place?
2. If there is only one topic, what is the best name for an article about it under Wikipedia's naming policies?

IMSoP (talk) 10:01, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

They are the same thing done on two different days of the week. Mangoe (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

*Oppose for religious differences. Catfurball (talk) 15:31, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

• Can you expand on that a bit? If there is a clear difference, it would be helpful if you could suggest some wording which could be added to both articles explaining how they relate. - IMSoP (talk) 15:52, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Comment Sunday school is not even close to Sabbath School. In the Seventh-day Adventist Church all ages attend Sabbath school and for those who are not able to go to church they can watch online or on the satellite at: https://itiswritten.tv/sabbath-school and https://hopetv.org/shows/hope-sabbath-school.

Adult education on Sundays is a thing in many churches, actually. Mangoe (talk) 00:23, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

User:Catfurball, please do not remove information from this article, especially during an active AfD. Sabbath School is a term historically used by first-day Sabbatarians, as well as by seventh-day Sabbatarians. Anupam^Talk 04:33, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

It is not against Wikipedia policy to remove material from an article during a vote, the only thing that should not be removed is a deletion template or a merge template during a discussion. Catfurball (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Reverse Merge - Merging Sunday School to Sabbath School makes a lot of sense to me. Sunday is the sabbath for those denominations that call it Sunday School and there is evidence that some in those denominations refer to it as Sabbath School. It appears there is significant overlap in the format and content of the two events and to a layman they would appear to be ostensibly the same. The articles have significant overlap and cover the same ground in places.

BleachPuffin (talk) 16:00, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

• Comment - Where people's opposition is that Sabbath School is not the same as Sunday school for certain denominations, I am not sure this is an argument that prevents merging, we can just have a separate section for the denominations that have significantly different interpretations of how it works. The alternative (and not something I support) is that a new article be created called for example Sabbath School in Seventh Day Adventism.

BleachPuffin (talk) 16:05, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Oppose merge. I can only put a UK perspective, but the UK is an appreciable source of en-wp users and editors. In the UK, the seventh day adventists are an extremely small church, less than 40,000 members, and despite this, they account for nearly all UK Christians who adopt Saturday as their main holy day in the week. As such, and per WP:COMMONNAME, in the UK at least, it's completely inappropriate to do a reverse-merge of Sunday school into Sabbath School. It is quite simple: almost no one calls it a Sabbath School. From a UK perspective we shouldn't change the name used over a very long period by a large number of large denominations, merely to satisfy one small denomination. The other way round, the adherence of the 7th-day Adventists to Saturday as the Sabbath is utterly key to their faith. Moving their school, which clearly does not take place on a Sunday to Sunday school would be insanely illogical as well as downright offensive. So it's much easier to leave things as they are. Elemimele (talk) 16:44, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

I understand the sensitivity of the naming, but it feels like there's a leap in logic from "both possible names are problematic" to "keep two separate articles". If there are going to be two articles, what goes in each?

As I said in my initial proposal, I'm not an expert by any means, on this or any other aspect of Christianity. I'm coming to this as a reader: if there is a difference other than the name, Wikipedia currently fails to explain to me what it is.

Both articles discuss how practice varies between denominations, and in fact looking closely I see both articles currently have a section on Methodist practice! So to those opposed to merging, I make this request: please propose how the pages should be structured so that a non-expert can learn from them rather than simply reading the same content twice. - IMSoP (talk) 21:27, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

I'd be okay about separating them out, and having this article concentrating entirely on the 7th-day Adventist approach? I'd say if an organisation calls its education-on-the-Sabbath a Sabbath school, put it in this article. If it calls it a Sunday School, put it in the Sunday school article. Elemimele (talk) 09:31, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

According to other commenters in this discussion, "separate article for 7th-Day Adventists" and "separate article for anyone who calls it Sabbath School" are two distinct proposals: there are apparently "first-day Sabbatarian" denominations which at least sometimes call it "Sabbath school".

And it doesn't really answer my question: as a reader, who has no background in any of these traditions, what am I supposed to understand from that article structure? If "Sunday school" ends up covering 10 denominations, and "Sabbath school" another 3, what non-duplicate summary will form the lead of each page?

There is a very clear statement of policy at Wikipedia is Not Censored:

Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia.

I understand the desire to minimise the offense caused to one Christian group or the other, but I'm still looking for a reason why having two separate articles leads to a better encyclopedia. - IMSoP (talk) 11:30, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

User:IMSoP, as we speak, User:Catfurball is edit warring to remove all information related to first-day Sabbatarians from the article in order to make it exclusively about seventh-day Sabbatarian denominations. I would appreciate if you could please investigate this as this is not appropriate while this AfD is occurring. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 16:06, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

@Anupam I don't know what you expect me to "investigate". I have no authority, and frankly no interest in wading into the middle of an argument between two strangers. IMSoP (talk) 21:36, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Oppose reversing mergin Sunday school into sabbath school makes absolutely no sense. I cannot see why Sabbath School could not be a subsection of the much larger and common Sunday school use. 7th day adventists and other small groups having a practice doesn't by itself justify an article or let alone a reverse merge. AadamentAardvark (talk) 19:36, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Delete and Redirect to Seventh-day Adventist Church, which has a worship service section. By doing a Google search, Sabbath school is not notable and does not deserve an article. Catfurball (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

You just now removed all of the information pertaining to first-day Sabbatarians (such as Methodists and Reformed) who term the concept Sabbath School and now you're arguing for this? Please stop being ridiculous. Anupam^Talk 16:03, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

• Comment: While this AfD is occurring, User:Catfurball is edit warring on the Sabbath School article to remove any information that does not discuss the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I would appreciate if others could please take notice. Thank you. Anupam^Talk 16:03, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
• Comment I am not in an edit war, that is slander. You are only pissed off that I removed the material that you added to the article, which does not belong in the Sabbath School article. Catfurball (talk) 16:27, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

You want the article redirected to "Seventh-day Adventist Church" and deleted anything on there about first-day Sabbatarian denominations that have used the term "Sabbath School", such as historically, Methodists. You will stop edit warring and let the discussion here continue. Anupam^Talk 20:01, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Then you should add that to the article, for many of the references that you added are not verifiable. And by the way reference one that you added does not work. Catfurball (talk) 20:32, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

There are a number of references that are books, which you can check out from your library if you wish to learn about the history of Sabbath Schools. Not all references are websites. Anupam^Talk 20:40, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Those who support a merge I did find this story https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/should-we-rename-sunday-school/ Catfurball (talk) 21:32, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Support – Even if they're different, the concepts are best understood in the context of the same article per WP:PAGEDECIDE. Keeping the information is two separate pages is just more confusing. FaviFake (talk) 10:54, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

• Comment - I completely agree that the concepts are best understood in the context of the same article. As @IMSoP said on 1st September, given there seems to be no appetite for merging in either direction and retaining one of the article titles, we could look to follow TITLEVAR and decide on a title that is amenable to the varying denominations that this issue is pertinent to. Perhaps something along the lines of "Christian church based education".

BleachPuffin (talk) 14:08, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Yes, if the information must be merged to a single article, giving it a generic title using neither the words "Sabbath school" nor "Sunday school" would avoid the problem. I would recommend providing redirects to the new article from both the old locations. One of the issues the new article will have to address is the sheer diversity of how the terms are used. They range from very formal educational situations to something that's nothing more than a kid's club to keep small children happy while the parents do a more boring form of worship! Elemimele (talk) 09:24, 15 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Comment: As the article title seems to be playing a part in this, I just want to make it clear to editors here that if the merge happens in either direction then a requested move is all but guaranteed to result in the title ending up being "Sunday school" per WP:COMMONNAME (see Ngrams comparison). –Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 04:52, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
• Support: The two are substantially the same concept, and can only be meaningfully distinguished for the minority of Christians who meet on Saturdays instead of Sundays, in whose case "Sunday" school would be a misnomer. With that being said, there doesn't seem to be a good name for the merged page. "Sunday school" is not the correct name for those Saturday-meeting churches, whereas "Sabbath school" is too technical and not commonly used outside of SDA. A generic name is also not ideal given that pandenominationally "Sunday school" is overwhelmingly the commoner name. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 08:51, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

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