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April 20

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Thank you!

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Thank you from a real person who has to check facts and ensure that the information i distribute to my children and friends is based in fact. I appreciate everything that the admins, staff,etc. do everyday to distribute only information that has been verified and coincide with other people places or things that we all know to be facts. THANK YOU ALL!!!  Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C101:56AC:1D45:E2F2:8135:FE9C (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Difficulty using harvnb template

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I'm struggling to make a short-cite work on the climate sensitivity page. The reference after: The IPCC literature assessment estimates that TCR likely lies between 1 °C and 2.5 °C does not link to the full citation given in the sources section. I've tried a lot of different options and no idea what to try next. Could anybody more technically skilled than me have a look? Many thanks! Femke Nijsse (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

@Femkemilene: I said ref= harv in the full citation. "Collins et al. 2013" now links there. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Because in the {{harvnb}} you listed four individual authors but in the {{citation}} template you had |ref={{harvid|IPCC AR5 WG12013}}. Editor PrimeHunter changed that to |ref=harv. I removed that because {{citation}} sets |ref=harv automatically. I suspect that this problem is a carry-over from the silliness that confuses matters by naming title abbreviations as authors: |author=IPCC AR5 WG1 and |author=IPCC AR4 WG1 in the top two citation templates in §Sources but then, in the separate chapter {{citation}} templates, redefines that same 'author' name in |title=IPCC AR5 WG1. Yeah, don't do that. When taken in isolation (and these citations may be because cs1|2 create metadata that can be / is scraped by automated citation tools) the isolated citation claiming that 'IPCC AR5 WG1' will be wrong and mislead readers using that scraped data.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Why has shading appeared on part of an edit I have done ?

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Why has shading appeared on part of an edit I have done ? It was part of a paragraph of text I added. I assume I have made some sort of syntax error, how to fix it ?  Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewHart500 (talkcontribs) 08:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

@AndrewHart500: Fixed. There was a space in front of the very first character of your edit, which will produce the shaded area of text. Also fixed some curly apostrophes to straight ones. Some copy-editing may be necessary to make the language a little more neutral and encyclopedic. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 09:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
AndrewHart500 Sorry, the whole section will need to be revised as it was copied verbatim from the magazine interview cited. We can't do this because it is regarded as a copyright violation. Please rewrite the section in your own words, still citing the source, and adopting a neutral tone, taking particular care with regard to anything we say about living people: Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks Bhunacat10, good catch. Eagleash (talk) 09:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Letter K - Index & Help Desk Templates ?

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How fast do we want to kill-off Wikipedia®

And there's no letter K on the startup index of subjects. Wikipedia will see a big spurt of newcomers when volunteers and staff do a thorough house cleaning. See what's old, new, passé.

"Kraut Rock" LOVE it. More than the new Grunge description of lifestyle and musician techniques. But now I can't find it. Wikipedia must have thousands of fans and contributors overseas in Europe, the Middle East, almost everywhere. They might be willing and anxious to help. Are there really Five Levels for making format and content suggestions for Wikipedia? I've thought it's more easy going tossing around ideas. Not five stages and levels. Anyway, thank you all for listening.

Jim Setbacken104.220.57.85 (talk) 09:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Hello Jim. Do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? I am not sure what you mean by a startup index, but you can find a list of all Wikipedia articles beginning with K at Special:AllPages/K. And we do have an article about Kraut rock. You can comment on that article on its talk page at Talk:Krautrock.--Shantavira|feed me 10:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
It's true that Wikipedia:Glossary had the J and K run together in the alphabetical contents bar (now fixed). But that glossary is only for special terms used within the Wikipedia project. To find Wikipedia articles, the commonest way is just to use the "Search Wikipedia" box present on every Wikipedia page. There are over 5 million articles now, so any search structure is bound to be complex. There is the alphabetical listing for any letter or group of letters, as the post above says. Then there is Portal:Contents, then there are systems of categories, indices, outlines, (dare I mention) portals...: Bhunacat10 (talk), 13:40, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Michelle McKinney Hammond

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 Preceding unsigned comment added by Tega Elizabeth Baah (talkcontribs) 14:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

@Tega Elizabeth Baah:The help desk is not the place to submit an article. Please take a look at WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Search block logs

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Can they be searched?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Bbb23, what do you wish to search, precisely? See Special:Logs. WBGconverse 16:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The text.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
No. T14984 lying idle for over a decade. WBGconverse 16:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
There is a parent task at phab:T120764. Also, it appears that User:Cenarium fixed a related issue in 2016, phab:T20954, and it got deployed then. So the issue of log searching hasn't been stuck forever. There was some mention of having to create new indexes, which was a deterrent to going ahead. There was a 2015 Community Wishlist entry at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2015/Special pages#Improve Special:Log. EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The core issue of searching log texts have been stuck forever, as to the developers' end. 20954 is linked to the broader goals. WBGconverse 17:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Muting already-read text on a frequently-visited page

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Is it possible to mute (hide, make smaller or lighter) text on a frequently-visited page so that when the same logged-in user returns to it the next time, any new text added since the last time stands out more clearly? I'm not talking about mainspace articles, but examples that would help me would be the Reference Desk pages and this Help Desk. I've been using the "skip to bottom" shortcut to start reading the newest material and then scrolling up until I recognize a section I've read previously, but there should be a more elegant way to do this.--Thomprod (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)reply

Thomprod, I usually browse pages like that using my watchlist, which has changes grouped by page (setting in Preferences > Recent changes > Advanced options > Group changes by page). That gives me a handy "Changes since last visit" link that I can click to take me to the diff, and also makes my watchlist less cluttered with the frequently changing pages. Alpha3031 (tc) 04:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks, Alpha3031. I'll give that a try.Thomprod (talk) 14:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)reply